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Detection of Deception: Sandusky’s Jaw-Dropping Interview

His private parts may have touched her son. Wished it never happened.  Need forgiveness. Shouldn’t have showered with those kids. “Am I sexually attracted to young boys? “ He enjoys kids and loves to be around them. "I have done some of those things." What amazing statements by a man under suspicion of “inappropriate behavior” with boys who are minors!


Bob Costas’ interview last night of Jerry Sandusky was absolutely stunning.  Bob did a great job no doubt but to me, Sandusky’s responses telegraph the thoughts and behaviors of a man who knows his actions where wrong and is having trouble explaining and justifying what he is alleged to have done.

(See the video here on YouTube)

Some of my quick observations that would set off alarm bells if I were conducting a criminal interview of Jerry Sundusky:


1.    Did not touch their leg with sexual intent. Uh huh.  Why were you touching their leg while they were all nude in the shower?


2.    Told the mother of one boy he wished it hadn’t happened and needed forgiveness.  He told her he wishes he was dead. So what have you done that you feel need to be forgiven?  Why do you feel you need to die?


3.    Tells us he enjoys kids and loves being around them.  Strangely they are all young boys and always in and around showers.  I see a possible repetitive pattern of sexual fantasy going on here.


4.    Describes his actions with the boys in the showers as “just horsing around.”  Really?  How’s that for rationalizing your behavior?


5.    Another witness reported Sandusky performing oral sex on a child in the showers.  Another shower scene with Sandusky.


6.    Another witness reported Sandusky was in the shower with a young boy and he heard rhythmic “slapping sounds” that the witness called a rape. Sandusky said the boy had turned off the showers, he was sliding acoss the floor and Sandusky says he was snapping a towel.  That must have been painful for somebody in the showers.


7.    Costas asked Sandusky if he was a pedophile to which Sandusky quickly responded “No.”  But when asked if he was sexually attracted to young boys, Sandusky immediately stalls before answering which is a sign of cognitive load and that the question has created some significant stress on the part of the subject.  It means that Costas’ question was spot on. Once Sandusky starts to answer, we hear cognitive dissonance in that Sandusky’s thoughts are literally racing and he is in deep trouble trying to respond in a way that minimizes or explains away his actions.


Already there are hints of more boys who are victims.  I’m afraid the list could get VERY long.  We are ALSO going to hear of more potential victims of Sundusky's behaviors that never made it to the showers.


Authorities need to find ALL these victims and conduct extensive forensics interviews of each by trained forensic child interviewers.  Then these victims will need extensive attention and counseling.  These victims have been suffering for a long time thinking they were bad and that they were the only ones.


This case will go way beyond the confines of Penn State.  I predict that if they are disclosed, there will be many incidents not related to his time on the Penn State campus and therefore lots of other people who did not report Sandusky for his actions.
 

Not doubt Sandusky is to blame for his own actions but I don’t think that the administration at Penn State are the only ones who didn’t report what they knew.


PS Kudos to Bob Costas for a great interview, especially on the fly.


At least that's my opinion.


Stan B. Walters, CSP
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Lying: Casey Anthony - Dragged Down By Her Own Albatross of Deceit

Casey Anthony's trail of deceit leads right back to her. From the very beginning, it appears that Casey Anthony has manipulated and lied her way to this point in her murder trial. She has no one to blame except herself.

I hate to say "I told you so"; BUT I told you so! Look at my blog posting in May 2008

Casey Anthony: A Masterful Investigation - Casey Anthony's Lies Will Convict Her. 

Let's count "some" of Casey's lies:

1. She worked at Universal Theme park.
2. She was an event coordinator at night
3. The baby sitter Zaney.
4. Zany kidnapped Caylee.
5. Casey and Caylee went to a conference in Tampa
6. They stayed in Tampa because zany had a car wreck.
7. The new man in her life Todd - who doesn't exist.
8. She and Caylee staying many nights at todd's house in Jacksonville.
9. Spending many nights at Zaney's house.
10. Spending time at Hard Rock Hotel.
11. Caylee spending time with other kids in Tampa at Busch Gardens while Casey was at the non-existent conference and after the conference.

This went on for some 31 or more days. To her parents, to her friends, to the police, and more.

I'll bet when you interview the jury, you'll find that they had a hard time with all the defense case based on ALL the lies Casey told for so long. In the meantime drag everyone else along, parents, boyfriends, brother in on all of her lies and that they are covering up, too? Pretty hard to keep such a complex web of lies (based on the defense case)for so long and so many people involved with so much emotion involved in the loss of Caylee, the national level of scrutiny - police & media. Tough to buy that.

I still contend, Casey Anthony's lies will convict her.

My opinion from my prospective.

Stan B. Walters, CSP
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Lying: What do we do with "victms" who lie?

Strauss-Kahn has been released because the rape charges filed against him in New York may be at least partially untrue. His accuser may in fact have committed perjury. What should we do about victims who lie?

Granted Staruss-Kahn is obviously no saint and in the past exhibited some pretty boorish behavior and may have taken some big risks for someone in the public eye, but should he be prosecuted on false charges? By the same token, no matter your background, personal life style, economic status or high risk behavior, you do not deserve to be a crime victim.

With all that said, what should we do with "victims" who lie? Ask the Duke Lacrosse players about their lives after being falsely accused of rape. What about an entire community and multiple families affected by a false kidnapping report by the "Runaway Bride" from Georgia. These are but three high profile cases of lying done by victims. What about the hundreds and hundreds of other similar false reports or false statements made by victims and witnesses?

My suggestions

1. We've got to do much, much better narrative interviews of all victims. Perhaps questionable cases can be discovered a lot sooner and progress no further unless truly warranted.

2. Let's not forget, we also must do a much better job of interviewing witnesses.

Regarding these first two issues, criminal justice agencies rarely give their full attention to training investigators how to adequately interview victims. More importantly, victim assistance groups also fail when comes to victim interviews. Some victims support groups operate under the dangerous and myopic philosophy that victims would never lie. (Right. Nobody lies to their dentist about flossing or to their doctor about their "regular" exercise routine and obeying their diet!)

3. Start prosecuting and charging cases of false reports by alleged victims. In these financially strapped economic times, why should the public put up with such a waste of federal, state and local resources. How do we explain to genuine victims why there are limited or no resources to handle their case?

Victim's deserve our full attention and so do criminal subjects. What happens though when the full force of the criminal justice system is turned loose on the falsely accused? Of even greater concern, what happens when the media, chasing the next sensational criminal case thoroughly destroys the falsely accused's reputation. To this day you can still hear comments about the falsely accused Duke LaCrosse players, "well, they had to be doing something wrong."

Time to start filing highly publicized charges against "victims" who make false reports. Let them serve time, or at least fine them treble damages for the cost of chasing down their case. The falsely accused should also be allowed to recover damages.

I don't care how "distraught" the person was when they falsely reported. I shouldn't take into account the past or personal history of a genuine victim. Those things should have no bearing when we consider filing charges on those would set into motion criminal investigations that can devastate the falsely accused suspect.

Just my two cents worth.

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Lying: Governments and Weiners Lie! Really?!

Defense Secretary Gates tells Congress that governments lie and that's just the way business is done.  Congressman Weiner admits he lied and resigns from Congress.  It amazes me how many people act surprised.  What doesn't surprise me as how may people missed all the lies and lying done by both.

First, if we are the victims of lies and liars, 50% of the fault lies with us.  Think about it.  Lies are only successful because somebody has to believe them.

Second, people miss at least 50%of the lies that happen right in front of them.  Why?

1. We are looking for the wrong lie cues.  Ah, er, um uh, bad eye contact, eye movement left or right, fidgeting, crossing arms or legs, playing with clothes or grooming behaviors are just a few of the human behaviors wrongly identified as signs of lying.
2. We miss the very few signs of deception. Micro expressions that demonstrate contradictions in messages, memory lapses, skipping blocks of time, surgical denial do have some statisical link to deception.
3. Finally, the biggest reason we misidentify honesty and deception in others is personal bias.  We don't believe the person / government / politician could or would lie to us OR the person / government / politician would do nothing but lie to us.

What really hurts in the long run however is the damage that is done by deception.  Think of the major decisions made by governments, their leaders, and their people as the result of failing to spot deception or wrongly assuming that they are the victims of deception.

On a personal level, how many critical decisions do we make every day?  Are we making those decisions based on information given to us by someone who intentionally means to deceive or mislead us?  How many decisions would be different if we knew at that moment that someone was lying to us?  

Whether governments, the "Weiners", political leaders, sports figures, business leaders, friends, associates, Hollywood stars, we will always be targets for those who want to deceive us..

Until we learn how to accurately spot deception and acknowledge that even the people we respect are capable of lying to us, we will continue to be victims of deceit.

Just my thoughts...

Stan B. Walters, CSP
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Deception: Could Sen. Richard Blumenthal be a Serial Liar?

Senator Richard Blumenthal (The Viet Nam marine veteran who was NOT in Viet Nam) has apparently used "misplaced words" once again.  Blumenthal has apparently been caught in another "personal resume enhancing" lie.  Blumenthal claims has been involved in the fight for Roe v. Wade from the beginning when he worked as a clerk for Judge Blackmon in 1974.  Roe v. Wade was ruled on by the US Supreme Court in 1973.

Chronic or serial lying if you prefer is not a disorder or disease.  My motto is "before you say it ... you thought it!"  Chronic of habitual lying is a symptom of a greater personality or character flaw in the person.

If you want to learn something about a person's character, if they lie, notice what they choose to lie about!  In Blumentahl's case we notice he apparently keeps lyinmg about his personal experiences, personal history and background.

I suggest the media and others who follow the media religously, dig into Blumenthal's background.  Look at ALL of his resumes, degrees, accomplishments, awards, training, etc that he has claimed to have accumulated and reported to his consituents, the media, past employers, etc. 

I would be willing to bet Senator Blumenthal has "misplaced words" MANY times regarding his list of accomplishments, etc.  These two public incidents are not an anomaly.  He does this too easily.  I wouldn't be surpised to find that he has MANY other "misplaced words' describing his grand accomplishments.

Just my opinion... but then I study and research this type of behavior and teach law enforcement, business professionals and intelligence operatives how to spot these kinds of lies.

 

Stan B. Walters, CSP

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Confession: Joran Van der Sloot Recants His "Confession."

Joran Van der Sloot no claims he was arrested without a warrant, had no translator and was confused when he confessed.  And thus Van der Sloot continues his manipulation of people and the Peruvian Courts. There will be more mind bending, heart rending manipulation by Van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot is due to see the Peruvian judge on Friday (June 25th) who will rule on the admissibility of Joran's confession and if there is probable cause for putting him on trial for murder.  It would be very interesting to hear more of Joran's explanation of how he was tricked.

This guy is a master at manipulation and he gets really pissed when he is not in control and when he thinks people are getting the best of him. My bet is he will be bound over for trial.

If the Peruvian police conducted a professional interrogation, they have closed the loops holes on this case.  They most likely got a specific time line of movements and actions by Van der Sloot, coupled with the video surveillance from several locations, witness statement of his movements. They most likely allowed him to give a narration of everything hie did during that time frame in question (letting him lie his butt off) then picked his story apart with every piece of conflicting evidence, inconsistencies and contradictions in his story.  Joran was probably NOT coerced, he's just never had anybody who know how to handle him and nail him for his lies.  Oh don't get me wrong, this guy is still going to lie, change his lies and dream up many more new ones before this is all over.

Van der Sloot certainly deserves a fair trial and proper legal representations even in light of his alleged crime(s).  I saying we should expect a "circus of the bizarre" from Joran as his trial moves forward.

What we've heard about his confession is just the warm up act.  I bet he will start allegations of abuse, mistreatment, maltreatment, psychological horrors, memory failure, demonic possession, out of body experience - from the mundane to the outlandish.  This will be a running soap opera or a never-ending episode of Law and Order.

Joran is living up to his billing as a psychopathic personality.

Just my opinion, anyway.  So far, I've been pretty close to being on the money.

Stan
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Interview & Interrogation: Van der Sloot's Mom - "My son is sick in his head."

Joran Van der Sloot's Mom said in an interview with a Dutch newspaper "My son is sick in his head."  She blames the media and the death of Joran's father as the cause for her son committing murder.  Sorry Mrs. Van der Sloot, your son just willingly engages in deviant behavior - always has and always will. He knows what he is doing.

Joran certainly exhibits deviant behavior and in my opinion is most likely a sexual predator.  He appears to match the profile of a psychopath.

We have to be careful about bantering around "mentally ill."  It leads the public to believe that Van der Sloot is not in control of his own actions and is unaware of the consequences of his behavior.  For Joran it is quite the opposite.  Joran demonstrates a high level of awareness of his actions which by the way are always in response his needs without consideration for the pain and suffering he causes others.  He is a very organized personality.  In his case he has willingly failed to control his own behaviors.

Certainly stress factors can trigger apparently inappropriate behaviors in any person.  My question to Joran's Mom would be what stress factors caused him to allegedly murder Natalee Holloway?  There was no media coverage of him prior to her disappearance and his father was alive!

Often when we can't understand the apparently deviant behaviors of a friend or family member, it is easy to blame it on "mental illness" as the cause.  I believe that's because we can't understand the other person's motivation and fortunately for us, we can't imagine engaging is such behavior ourselves, therefore "he must be sick."

Joran's behavior is probably best explained as a "psychology of evil."  He will not be denied anything he wants, he is well spoken, easily overcomes another person's fears about him, has a high threshold of excitement or stimulation, he has a low tolerance for stress or anything that frustrates him, he has no empathy for the people he is destroying, doesn't learn from his mistakes, he is cunning, he is manipulative, and he is a chronic liar.  I still say that if we investigate his background more thoroughly we will find MANY deviant social acts and criminal offenses that have been missed, dismissed, and even ignored.  He has MANY more victims of deviant behavior than we will ever know.

You can take it to the bank that Joran's confession to Peruvian authorities is still not very close to the whole truth.  Oh sure, he gave them enough that he may be convicted - enough to match the forensics.  BUT, the actual interaction between him and Flores, conversations between them, Flores specific actions have been grossly altered to suit Joran's point of view and benefit.  Notice from previous stories how Joran portrays himself as the "victim" of Flores snooping into his personal life.  Again, I think a key phrase was Joran's slip in saying that she tried to "escape."  I'd bet that the time Joran spent in the room with her body was time spent fantasizing about what happened and developing and practicing a plausible "story."  Why not, Joran has proven himself very successful at making up plausible stories in the past!

When he is interviewed by the Lima judge next week, I hope he doesn't fall pry to Joran's charms and believe the lies Joran has cooked up for him.  If we hear about ANY of the story he tells the judge, I'm willing to bet there are going to be some changes and additions to the initial confession he gave to the Peruvian police.  Also it wouldn't surprise me if he starts suffering from "memory lapses" and plays up his Moms diagnosis that he is "sick in his head."

Joran Van der Sloot is a classic example of an anti-social personality type who is fully aware of his behaviors but has and continues to manipulate people for his own personal desires. Put him in the Peruvian prison and let him rot.  Just my opinion anyway.

Stan
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Joran Van der Sloot: Dance With The Devil

Joran Van der Sloot has agreed to show authorities the location of missing Alabama teen Natalie Holloway's body.  In my opinion this is a dance with the devil.  My question is what does Van der Sloot really want?  He doesn't do anything that is not to his benefit. 

In my opinion Joran Van der Sloot is the typical psychopath.  He is going to manipulate everybody and ever agency for his own benefit.  If you think Joran confessed to killing Flores because of some overwhelming guilt or remorse, I think you are sadly mistaken.  He confessed because he was caught and had to figure some way to get out of the maze he found himself in.

According to AP, Van der Sloot has now agreed to show everyone where he left the body of Natalie Holloway.  First of all, I believe when I see it.  I think he's telling them he can show them just to get out of Peru, get a lighter sentence, arrange it so he is brought back to Aruba to face charges as opposed to Peru (which has some hellish prisons by the way), or if he has to face charges of murder he rather face the charges is "Van der Sloot friendly" Aruba.

Van der Sloot is NOT doing this for nothing and it is NOT from pangs of guilt.  Watch for more twists and turns is this part of the Van der Sloot saga unfolds.  I bet he is still going to dupe somebody with this plan.

Stan
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Van der Sloot Confesses: Admits Strangling Peruvian Woman

Associate Press is reporting that Joran Van der Sloot has confessed to strangling and killing Stephanie Flores.  What is interesting is that Van der Sloot said the murder was linked to Natalie Holloway's disappearance.

Van der Sloot told authorities that Flores looked at his laptop and saw the connection between him and Holloway.

"I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life," he reportedly told detectives. "She had no right. She was scared, we argued, she tried to escape and I grabbed her by the neck and hit her."

I have a couple of questions:

1) What did Flores see on Van der Sloot's laptop that was so personal and got Flores so scared?

2) What does he mean he didn't want to do it?  Sounds likes the typical "blame the victim" for the crime.

3) More importantly, I caught a key word in Joran's statement.  He said she tried to "ESCAPE."  If Flores was there willingly, we did she have to try and "ESCAPE?"

I still think there is a lot more to this case and there still may be other Van der Sloot "date rape" victims that may come forward.

My opinion is that Joran will not be denied what he wants from women.  How dare they!

He sure acts like an anti-social personality to me.

Stan
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Joran VanderSloot: An MO of Prowling Casinos for Victims?

Joran VanderSloot has been arrested in Chile on a charge of murdering a woman in Peru after picking her up at a casino there. This is exactly the same way he met Natalie Holloway in Aruba.  Could this be his MO?

I went back a reviewed an interview of Vandersloot by ABC's Chris Cuomo back in 2005.  One of the biggest reactions I saw from Vandersloot was the question about him picking up women in casinos and bars, getting them drunk or drugging them, and taking advantage of them.  In my opinion his response behaviors (both verbal and non-verbal) were consistent with someone who was withholding information. Now we get word he is accused of using the same tactic to pick up a woman in Peru and he has been arrested for her murder.

My question would be have we uncovered the MO of a killer and /or rapist.  We need to get the evidence on the case in front of us to be sure he is guilty of the murder.  Other cases of serial murderers / rapists have present very strong evidence of patterns of behavior that are consistent in all their cases.  This could be the same with Vandersloot.

Within one day of his arrest, we get word that US authorities was Joran for extortion.  He is alleged to have offered information regarding the whereabouts of Natalie Holloway's body in Aruba in return for money.

In my opinion Joran is what I call an "Ego Dominant" personality and that would detect the interrogations strategy O would use on him.  He also appears to exhibit a large number of the characteristics of the "psychopath" or "anti-social" personality researched and expounded on by Dr. Robert Hare and Dr. J. Reid Malloy.

I wouldn't be surprised if more of the same behaviors by Joran will soon be uncovered.

Interested in hearing your thoughts.

Stan

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